Scoring for a Draw

Posted on May 19, 2010 by Football Manager

From a comment:

I have some remarks on the scoring system when it comes to penalties. I think it needs to be revised.
For example, match result : Team A 1(4) – Team B 1(2) and user’s prediction : Team A 1(3) – Team B 1(4)
He only gets 2 bonus pts for Correct number of goals. No credit for guessing the draw or correct match score 1-1.

My suggestion would be accord full points for guessing the right score or point for guessing the draw match even though his predictions for penalties are wrong. We may have an extra bonus pts for penalties.

What’s your pt of view?

My Response:

You are right, a user guessing a draw in the knockout stages does not get the credit they deserve for guessing a draw after extra time.

In your example for a result of A 1(4) – B1(2) a user guessing A 3 – B 1 would get the points for a win but one could argue their prediction was less accurate and as such does not deserve a better points score than the player that predicted a draw and got the penalty score wrong.

In addition:

At the moment it is impossible to get points for predicting a Draw in the knockout stage. There has to be a winner.

I am tempted to change this, such that a prediction for a Draw in the knockout stage should gain points based on just the goals scored during the match (i.e. exclude the penalties). Obviously if the predictor guesses a Draw and the number of guessed penalties are correct they would receive the points for an exact match.

If anyone has setup their site with the current rules/scoring system this may have a minor impact on how points are awarded in the knockout stages for draw predictions.

I’d be interested in any feedback

Ian.

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9 Responses to Scoring for a Draw

  1. Fred says:
    May 19, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Hi Ian,

    to get points for a draw prediction would help me too. I have yersaterday made some tests about that.

    At the end i have setup a sepperate stage (mark as group) with the knockout games to get my pridictions work.

    For the others. We predict only the result after regular game time (90 min.)

    So i have setup the konckout stage two times once for the game results view with the right results and once for the predition game for the prediction point awards.

    Maybe someone has an easier way to get that work. Suggestions welcome.

    Thanks
    Fred

  2. Fred says:
    May 19, 2010 at 7:45 am

    whoops, wasn’t already finished.

    maybe you (or someone else) can build an option to get Bonuspoints for the right shootout result. I don’t know how much work that is

    So guys come around for that to help out.

    Greetings Fred

  3. TEV says:
    May 20, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Hi,

    I agree with the comment above regarding the knockout stage.
    My opinion is to be able to predict a draw with a winner.
    (To guess the number of penalties scored does not seem to be so interesting)

    example : adding a checkbox to tick the winner in case of draw.

    Thx
    TEV

  4. C.T NEW says:
    May 20, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Thanks for taking my comment into account.
    Hopefully, others will agree with this as well.

  5. admin says:
    May 23, 2010 at 2:14 am

    Thanks for the comments.

    For V1.1 I have made a change to the scoring so that Draws are now scored in the knockout stage by only taking into account the goals and ignoring any penalties.

    Ian.

  6. Adrian says:
    May 23, 2010 at 2:56 am

    changes are made until the start world cup?

  7. Yass says:
    May 30, 2010 at 9:10 am

    Hi,

    But now, there something wrong with the version v1.1 :
    For a match result Team A 0(2) – Team B 0(3), a user’s prediction Team A 0(3) – Team B 0(2) get 4 points for a draw !
    IMHO you need to add something like “m.home_penalties = 0 AND m.away_penalties = 0 ” in the calculate_scores function in the draw case.

    • World Cup Manager says:
      May 30, 2010 at 9:39 am

      I see your point – but one could argue that the prediction was for a draw, but then to win on penalties.

      I think I mentioned earlier that there is never a draw in the knockout stages, but people wanted the option to apply a score for a prediction for a draw.

      As you correctly worked out, modifying the SQL would achieve that but only if someone predicted 0(0) – 0(0) which of course is an impossible score. As a temporary workaround you could modify the scoring configuration to set the points for a draw to 0 (zero) once all the group matches have been completed, then players will get awarded zero points for a draw.

      Maybe this needs a little more thought and maybe a option setting to choose each different draw scoring scenario.

      Ian.